Quintilian Road Traffic Management Proposal - Left-out Only to Brockway Road

Do you live on or use Quintilian Road? Maybe your children attend Quintilian School? A proposal to better manage traffic in the area may be of interest.

In early 2018, community engagement took place to address the concerns of residents and Quintilian School, in relation to the volume of vehicles using the road, vehicle speeds and the road being used as a shortcut between Brockway Road and Stubbs Terrace. This resulted in the construction of speed plateaus. The City also agreed to monitor their effectiveness – the plateaus have resulted in a substantial decrease in speed, marginal decrease in traffic and increase in the proportion of commercial vehicles.

So what now? After reviewing the options, the City’s preference is to partially close Quintilian Road at the Brockway Road intersection. This partial closure would deny access into Quintilian from Brockway Road and Camelia Avenue and support a reduction in traffic volume specifically commercial traffic. It would also allow for the safer anti-clockwise rotation of school traffic for pick-up and drop-off.

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Do you live on or use Quintilian Road? Maybe your children attend Quintilian School? A proposal to better manage traffic in the area may be of interest.

In early 2018, community engagement took place to address the concerns of residents and Quintilian School, in relation to the volume of vehicles using the road, vehicle speeds and the road being used as a shortcut between Brockway Road and Stubbs Terrace. This resulted in the construction of speed plateaus. The City also agreed to monitor their effectiveness – the plateaus have resulted in a substantial decrease in speed, marginal decrease in traffic and increase in the proportion of commercial vehicles.

So what now? After reviewing the options, the City’s preference is to partially close Quintilian Road at the Brockway Road intersection. This partial closure would deny access into Quintilian from Brockway Road and Camelia Avenue and support a reduction in traffic volume specifically commercial traffic. It would also allow for the safer anti-clockwise rotation of school traffic for pick-up and drop-off.

How can you get involved, find out more or provide feedback?

If you are not already registered, please register on the "Register to get involved" tab on this page. This registration enables you to participate in this project and any other projects on this site. The City can also send you up-dates from time to time.

  • Please read the information provided, view the proposed design in the document library and read the FAQs.
  • Ask us Question using the tab below.
  • Contact the Project Officer (as below) to discuss the proposed options.
  • Complete the survey to provide your feedback - closed
  • Please use the feedback tab to provide feedback - closed

Please note that all feedback is assessed regardless of the tool (eg. survey, email, letter, submission) that is used. Multiple submissions by an individual is assessed as one submission.

The opportunity to provide feedback closed at 5pm, Monday, 4 March 2019.

Further updates will be provided on this page as the project progresses.

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I suggest that the road be closed halfway down Quintilian road. That way, parents still have the opportunity to drop off from Brockway and not allow other flow through traffic. In addition, Stubbs terrace is already queued with cars with drop off for Shenton College and the under railway pass. Pushing Quintilian traffic to Stubbs Terrace will only exacerbate the traffic. Further complications will also arise on Brockway with parents most likely then utilising the drop off slip road on quintilian premise which is already congested. This congestion will then spill out to Brockway and halt any flow of traffic on Brockway. What needs to be addressed also is the interaction of Quintilian and Brockway. There is an accident waiting to happen with traffic coming from JTC, Quintilian and other traffic on Brockway. I suggest a round about in this intersection.

kylie mcveigh about 2 months ago

Closing Quintilian will increase significantly traffic within the narrow and short streets of St Peter's square.
It will thus lower the value of this expensive real estate for no reason.

Milo about 2 months ago

The proposal does not take into account the bigger precinct and traffic flow of the adjacent schools and amenities in the area. Shenton college has 2059 students and there are two circle bus routes for UWA that use Selby street to drop off students to Shenton and UWA. This causes significant traffic congestion at the roundabout intersection of Stubbs Terrace to access Railway road. For traffic south bound travelling to Quintilian Road at school drop off this will increase congestion to both Shenton College, train station drop offs and public access to Railway Road. If traffic is north bound it will also increase congestion as the Quintilian school traffic will all flow from Stubbs Terrace. There is also a huge investment in the two metre walkway to Quintilian Road and it would be good to see what pedestrian and cyclist metrics this has been based on. There is no cross walk provided for the school at present and if the proposed plan to provide a trafficable footpath on the opposite side to the school goes ahead, ensuring safe pedestrian access by providing a crosswalk to ensure that it is safe to use it should be paramount. After reviewing the planning and the documents provided it is unclear as to who would benefit by this proposal as it increases traffic congestion to Quintilian school and the larger secondary adjacent schools, residents and public transport systems.

sarah_quintilian parent about 2 months ago

I am a resident in the area, a school age student and I strongly disagree with this proposal. As a resident in the area and a former student of Quintilian, I am highly familiar with this road. I use it at least 4 times a day, both as a pedestrian and a vehicle user. This proposal will not only impact people trying to access this road but also, parents and students of The Quintilian School and the surrounding areas and roads. By implementing this change the parking bays outside the Quintilian school will be severely affected, this area is already very busy and a dangerous road to cross, but by taking out the parking bays situated next to the school, it forces every student picked up or dropped off there to cross a dangerous stretch of road. Additionally, by forcing all cars to turn left there will be a severe increase in the danger of crossing Brockway. Already it is difficult to remain safe when vehicles turn left there, I myself have been almost hit in this place, but it would cause every vehicle to put pedestrians safety at risk. Furthermore, by crossing off this stretch all bicycles will be forced to ride down to the roundabout between Brockway and Alfred, roundabouts are infamously dangerous for cyclists and the mere thought of risking residents lives in this reckless manner is appalling. I also believe that this will cause a severe increase and traffic build up in other areas of the suburb. Specifically, Brockway, Camelia Ave, Alfred Rd and Stubbs Tce, as well as an increase in traffic in St Peters Square, an area that is predominately made for residential use. I believe that before conducting these changes it would be ideal to conduct road surveys of the surrounding roads, to acquire a sense of impact this change would make. Furthermore, I believe that a more effective way of managing this problem would be to install CCTV cameras on either end of the road and introduce a fine for commercial vehicles using the road. Thank you.

charlotter about 2 months ago

I reside in McKenna Glen. I am strongly opposed to what will be the effective closure of Quintilian Road for me and the many other local residents who use it as a natural part of our east-west travels. In my experience over more than 25 years it is relatively safe and not exceptionally busy when compared to comparable streets. Apparently the recent installation of traffic calming "plateaus” has ensured that speed is not an issue. Yes it can be a bit cluttered in the vicinity of the school during drop-off and pick-up times but really no more than around many other schools, and simple courtesy and common sense are all that’s required to minimise any potential problems. Maybe some tweaking of current parking arrangements could also be helpful in this regard. Quintilian is not a densely populated street, particularly with residences only on one side, and those who do live there should have known to expect passing traffic. Surely there are other solutions to any perceived noise issue, eg double glazing, that wouldn’t deprive the large majority of local residents of an important access route, while probably also simply redirecting traffic to other residential streets, including those within St Peter’s Square. Once again, I am strongly opposed to the proposed "partial" closure of Quintilian Road.

Patrick Joseph about 2 months ago

Quintilian Road Traffic Management
The stated aim of the proposed changes to Quintilian Road is to meet the criteria for a local access road namely;
1. <3000 vehicles/day
2. Speed below 50km/h
3. <3% commercial vehicles.
Criteria 1 is currently met, criteria 2 is close following the installation of traffic management and criteria 3 is currently around 5%.
Assuming the traffic was at the upper limits: 3% of 3000 vehicles would represent 90 commercial vehicles per day. Currently, 5% of 2000 vehicles per day represents 100 commercial vehicles per day. Are these works justified to reduce the commercial vehicles by 10 vehicles per day? I commute by cycle every day through Quintilian Road and have never noticed any appreciable presence of commercial vehicles other than the school buses.
I can also see no justification for a shared use path down Quintilian Road, particularly if Quintilian Road was partially blocked – there must be higher priority roads for a bike path.
Why have the parallel parking bays outside the school been removed, forcing children to have to cross the road? The traffic in this section would become essentially one way, so what is the benefit in removing the parking bays.
The left-turn only restriction is proposed to increase anti-clockwise rotation of school traffic for drop-off and pick-up. I note that Stubbs terrace is often backed up past Quintilian Road at peak periods down to the underpass and parents forced to enter Quintilian Road at the East End will only add to this. The temptation to cut through St Peters Square will be irresistible to some, no matter what policing is imposed by the school. As an ex-parent of Quintilian children, I am aware that many parents will need to park at the school, rather than simply dropping off, which is only available on Quintilian Road.
A full traffic flow simulation of the impact should be performed, including the impact on Alfred Road, Stubbs Terrace, St Peter’s Square and Brockway before the changes are made. At the very least do not proceed with the changes in full, but use some temporary bollards to shut-off Quintilian Road and monitor the impact.
The City has considered 5 options, what was the criteria for ranking these options and hence the partial closure of Quintilian chosen?
I believe the following options could also be considered:
• Partial closure of Quintilian Road, East of the school to a single carriageway only, but allowing flow from both directions. This would discourage the use of Quintilian road as a cut-through at peak periods, but allow it’s continued use at off-peak periods.
• Change the signs from “Local Traffic Only” (which I find confusing) to “Access only”
• Contact the GPS providers, Google Maps, Apple Maps, Waze etc. and change the status of Quintilian Road to ensure traffic is routed around Alfred Road.
In summary, I think the proposed modifications are disproportionate to the likely benefit, and high risk of unintended negative impacts.

Peter Ryall about 2 months ago

I am totally against any further traffic calming or restriction to Quintilian Road, which is a residential feed road to the Karrakatta Station and to the Nagal Pass under the railway.
As a resident in Godetia Gardens I will be greatly affected by the proposed road restriction.
Camelia Avenue and Quintilian Road are used by the local residents west of Brockway as a natural through way and it is not a "rat run to avoid traffic." It is a natural road, which leads toward both Hollywood and QE11 hospitals, Subiaco and the CBD.
Directing traffic towards Alfred Road will obviously increase traffic in the St Peter's Square area.
The traffic study results are set out in a way to make it difficult to easily understand, mixing Vehicles Per Day with Percentages . I also disagree (respectfully) with the set out of the Results, whereby the study is over the period from March 2018 and October 2018 in the first table and then October 2017 and March 2017 have been added in the second table. In the last line of the second Traffic Measure (Proportion Commercial Vehicles) where Results show an increase of 61% If you take the figures provided for October 2014 (3.1%) and the October 2018 (5.0%) the difference is 1.9%.
If you take the March 2018 figure provided (5.2%) and the March 2018 the figure shows 5.0% a reduction of .2%.
It does appear to me that decision to close off the road has already been made and we are just going through the process. I think the old saying was D.A.D … Design, Advertise and Do. I do hope I'm wrong as I have only had a good relationship with council and look forward to our councillors reading the strong, negative and logical comments by local electors.
Ross Campbell Godetia Gardens

Ross Campbell about 2 months ago

In my view this proposal disadvantages the 95% of people who currently use Quintilian in favour of making life more difficult for 5% of traffic (the commercial traffic.) The proposal has no merit. it disadvantages all residents in the feeder streets off Mooro and Camelia, it disadvantages all parents living west of Brockway wishing to drive their children to Quintilian and carry on to the city for work, ; it disadvantages all people coming to JTC, Chlalnege or, indeed, any point further north off Brockway from Nagle Pass via Quintilian.

If council installed a roundabout at the intersection it would assist in traffic management but this is problematic for only a few minutes each day. No accident data has been provided to justify the proposal. The traffic count shows commercial vehicles decreasing. Cleaning up the parking on the north side or realigning the road so that the perpendicular parking was on on the school side (realign the road to the northern side of the road reserve) adjacent to the school would reduce the risk of accidents with pedestrians.

Fundamentally, the proposal has almost no merit.

Yours sincerely


Jan Grimoldby Godetia Gardens

Jang53 about 2 months ago

As a resident on Quintilian Road for 14 years, I strongly disagree with the proposal. I can see no issue with the current situation. The road is a bit busy in the mornings ect, but for the rest of the day it is ok. I have never heard or seen any traffic issues along the road. Why should my ability to enter and leave my house be affected permanently? If I come from the Brockway side, I will be travelling though the St Peters Square streets rather than go around to Stubbs Tce. I will also leave the same way.
I also disagreed with the proposal to build the speed bumps and it affected my drive as I enter and leave my house a couple of times per day. I’m very disappointed this were put in and have had no effect on the traffic.
If the road is going to be blocked off, please have the consideration to remove the speed bumps, as they have had no affected on traffic, and with the road blocked off it add further burden to travels when I come and go from my house.
Regards
Sam

Saml about 2 months ago

Any change made needs to create a favourable outcome on balance. This proposal does not - it will have a minor decrease in traffic east bound on a reasonably quiet road - however will see some school traffic snaked through the St Peter square area on the western side of the park where the playground is. I have 2 young children who use this park and playground and do not want to see traffic snaked through a street system which was not designed for that level of additional traffic. Keeping in mind this is to appease residents who live on Quintilian who don't want through traffic it should not be at the detriment to the rest of the area. They bought on a street which always had the routing possibility it currently has and whilst there has been an increase in traffic I believe that is the same for or arterials in this area and in my opinions there are better options for spending ratepayers money - such as amending the Brockway/Alfred intersection that has had a fatality, multiple serious injuries and a lot of accidents.

If there must be further affirmative action on Quintilian I would propose that a west and east facing cul-de-sac be installed between the school and the first residence (#44). There is sufficient space for a cuul-de-sac that allows for the turning circle of service vehicles such as rubbish trucks. This would completely eliminate through traffic from Stubbs to Brockway (the primary concern of the school and the lobby group) as the traffic in this scenario would be then better placed using Alfred to get to Brockway - please keep in mind this increases my front door traffic! So I am not super keen on this idea but its infinitely better than the current proposal.

The benefit of this proposal is that it would allow a safer drop off at the school as the western section of the road would be only for school traffic and parents. The parents who drop from the eastern side can still park on the army barrack boundary and walk their children up to the school before returning to their vehicles. There is a significant decrease in traffic to the residents as through traffic disappear and some school traffic would be diverted. From within the square, you would see an insignificant climb in traffic from Quintilian residents wishing to get to Brockway snaking through the square (a few journeys a day max.) There is also the potential for parents who drop from the eastern side who want to get to Brockway going through the square but they are more likely to follow the current traffic round Alfred to the 2 drop off zones on the western side. Overall, I believe that this would satisfy the Quintilian lobby group and the square land owners and users would see this more favourably. The only consequence is the aforementioned dangerous intersection would get more traffic and may need to be addressed.

Bryce about 2 months ago

Regarding the Quintilian Road Traffic Management Proposal; I understand the need to reduce traffic down Quintilian Rd and reroute to Alfred Road. However, I do not think the solution is correct. This would cause additional traffic through St Peter's Square and cars stopping on Brockway Road.

I would strongly suggest that the road in blocked completely at the intersection of Quintilian Rd and Stubbs Tce. This would allow for local access into Wuintillian Rd and re-route traffic to the main roads of Alfred and Brockway.

The current suggestion just seems like an awkward compromise that will just cause more issues. I would strongly suggestion getting some professionals to actually do a proper assessment, and sort out the whole area.

Wayne T about 2 months ago

CONFLATING A SCHOOL TRAFFIC PROBLEM WITH LOCAL ROAD COMPLAINTS
The proposed closure will result in redirecting a considerable volume of traffic (that is legitimately coming to or from local residences) into minor streets in St Peters Square that are not designed for such volumes.
Quintilian School must manage its traffic problem within its locus of control; its property, its staff and its customers (the parents of the children) just like any other surburban-based enterprise. Quintilian School shouldn’t get any special treatment under the guise of its important role in education, nor by raising the spectre of child safety in relation to supposed traffic problems.
Quintilian School’s obligations extend beyond its direct stakeholders to include the residents in the surrounding community. Every school faces the same issues of parking and drop-off/pick-up traffic and I would expect Quintilian School to reach within and develop innovative solutions. It has a highly educated staff who should be motivated to explore solutions to their own direct impact as commuters and then working creatively with the parents to reduce traffic problem.
It seems a few vocal and well organised Quintilian Road residents have joined forces with school representatives and worn down the council with repeated submissions over many years in a drawn-out concerted campaign without the knowledge, let alone agreement, of fellow residents in the broader St Peters Square. Such unrelenting, yet unrepresentative, pressure can be the only reason that we now face this latest desperate and unworkable solution being put forward by the council.

GregNockolds about 2 months ago

I strongly disagree with the proposed change. The change will add at least 4km a day to my commute, that’s some 200km a year.
The change will also provide a potential headache for residence in St Peters residential development , school traffic could use St Peters as a short cut.
Finally, school traffic leaving for Brockway would have to drive in the opposite direction, which is absolutely unnecessary, just to turn around and then head in the right direction.
Therefore the change has a negative impact on the environment (which I’m sure is against the councils environmental policy) and would just disperse traffic in all directions.

Nickshaw about 2 months ago

Hi, I live on Caladenia rd and I've never noticed any big traffic on Quintilian rd. There is a bit of buzz in the morning because of the school but that's normal and everyone behaves with understanding and patience. I am Against the closer because The Quintilian Rd proposal will greatly increase traffic within St Peters Square. There are a lot of children playing in our area and thus the danger for them will be greater never mind the incresed noise and dust levels.
Thank you
Marious

Marious about 2 months ago

The closure of this road would be very inconvenient to our family. My husband uses that road to go to the army barracks frequently. I use that road to avoid John XXIII Ave when the busy school rush is on. I notice that many John XXIII parents also use this road to exit the area at school times. The reason why there has been a marginal decrease in traffic is because it is an important artery to and from the area. Without this road there will be an overburden on the surrounding roads.
I feel the consultation effort has been a token gesture and not intended to genuinely get true feedback from the community. As residents on the adjoining Mooro Drive, we only found out about this via another local resident, not through Nedlands council. The 'community concerns' mentioned involve a very small number of residents on that street and are not a reflection of the real community around the area.
We do not want this road to close.

shrn about 2 months ago

1 PREDICTED IMPACTS
1.1 Residents in streets off Camelia Avenue (Godetia Gardens, Bromilow Green, Jubaea Gardens etc)
We (and most of our neighbours) regularly drive towards Karrakatta subway via Quintilian Road. Our route to Ashton Avenue over bridge is already an indirect one, and the proposal creates another indirect route for us.
1.2 Residents in major roads adjacent to St Peters Square (Brockway Rd, Alfred Rd, Stubbs Tce)
The Quintilian Rd proposal will greatly increase traffic past these dwellings, and may even increase traffic within St Peters Square.
1.3 Cyclists
To encourage cycling, routes towards the main cycleway beside the railway should be as direct and safe as possible. Cyclists travelling along Camelia Avenue and Quintilian Rd should not have to turn right into Brockway Rd, or use the roundabout at Brockway and Alfred Rd (unsafe manoeuvres for cyclists).
2 OVERALL ASPECTS
2.1 Traffic data for Quintilian Rd
March 2017 1993 vehicles per day including 86 commercial vehicles
October 2018 1970 vehicles per day including 98 commercial vehicles
Traffic data should have been presented for these periods for the major roads adjacent to St Peters Square
to allow an understanding of the bigger picture. Traffic increases in Quintilian Rd are probably typical, given
the increasing urban infill in surrounding areas.
2.2 Numbers of dwellings in major roads adjacent to St Peters Square
Quintilian Rd 17
Brockway Rd 23
Alfred Rd 57
Stubbs Tce 3
(approximate only, units at corner of Stubbs Tce and Quintilian Rd not included)
Clearly, the proposal disadvantages more local residents in adjacent roads (83 dwellings) than those who may be advantaged in Quintilian Rd (17 dwellings).
Also, some vehicles will have to travel greater distances within the area due to restricted routes.
2.3 School drop-off/pickup periods
These events occur on about 55% of all the days in a year (4 terms, each 10 weeks, 5 days per week), and
then only for a couple of hours per day (400 hours per year, i.e. only about 9% of the daylight hours in one
year).
3 SUMMARY AND CONCLUSIONS
These 'big picture' aspects suggest that the Quintilian Rd proposal is an over-reaction to the desire to limit commercial vehicles and improve school access in Quintilian Rd. Far more residents will be disadvantaged by the proposal than those who are advantaged by it.
Therefore, we strongly oppose the proposal.
Quintilian Rd has the potential to become another Carrington Street debacle.
Charter and Athena Mathison

Charter Mathison about 2 months ago

I strongly disagree with the proposal to redirect traffic through St Peters Square. I have two small children and recently bought in the area. One of the reasons I bought on the square (as opposed to Alfred Road, Quintilian Road or another "busy" road) is that the roads around the Square are quiet, and it is local traffic only - our children can currently scoot and learn to ride their bikes on the road in a relatively safe environment. I strongly oppose the increase in traffic volume in and around the Square.

Elizabeth Biggs about 2 months ago

I strongly disagree with the council wanting to redirect traffic through St Peters Square because children frequently play games, practice tennis & footy, ride their bikes and skateboards on the roads, as it is currently a safe, quiet, non- thoroughfare estate, that the residents chose to live in due to its locale and amenities, including low traffic volume mostly frequented by its residents. Now the the council wants to take the traffic off Quintilian Road, which is and has always been a local access road and according to their own traffic study, the findings state:-
It should be noted that the traffic volume (on Quintillian Road) is still well within the accepted warrant for a local access road of 3000 vehicles per day, and the 85th percentile speed is now at an acceptable 51.5Km/hr.
As a founding St Peters Square resident, I personally elected to purchase my block inside "the square "so that I did not live on a busy road, unlike Quintillian which has always been a thoroughfare for traffic coming from the western side of Mt Claremont.
I object to the partial closure of Quintillian Road and councils confirmation that it is happy to redirect traffic through St Peters Square, thereby shifting the problem from one street to the next.

Di Caladenia Pde Resident about 2 months ago

Dear council thank you for providing your feedback to my questions; my opinion is the proposed solution will affect more people by diverting traffic problems into St Peters Square. While the schools may attempt to educate their stakeholders more and more, traffic will be directed into St Peters Square because based on this proposal. I feel the most appropriate road is currently performing its function and will continue to do so in its current format.

Slider about 2 months ago